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Elias Messinas on Architecture and Travel

Interview Date: 28-03-2012
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What is the importance of Architectural Tourism? What is the importance of traveling, especially for Architects and humans in general?

Traveling is very important both for Architects and everyone basically. Especially for architects it is important because Architects can see different places, learn about different cultures, meet different people and also they can see and experience buildings in other places. This is very important for our education and also for becoming better in the buildings we design.

Le Corbusier used to say that the camera is for idlers, it’s the eye for the idlers, meaning that when an architect is traveling he cannot just go round and take pictures like everybody else. He has to sketch, he has to try and experience the place. When Le Corbusiercame to Greece, it took him about one or two days before getting to the Acropolis because he didn’t feel ready for the experience of visiting the Parthenon, which for him was one of the most important pieces of Architecture ever. So architects have to experience architecture, like we expect our clients to do that. So, it’s very important to visit places and to experience places, so that we can make our work better.

Now, for the general public, when you travel, you open up. You become more sensitive about people, about places, about situations. But the problem is that a lot of people like and prefer to travel in groups. So, when they travel in groups, they don’t actually expose themselves to the city and to the place, but they stay within the group. So, whatever they need, they ask the tour operator, they want to go somewhere, they ask the tour operator. They don’t go out to ask the people of the city, to try and communicate, to try to connect. I think that it’s the same thing with buildings. People sometimes just go and take pictures of the buildings. They don’t experience the buildings. So, they may say that they were in Italy, in Spain, in Turkey, but they end up coming back with a lot of photographs but without enough experience. So, it doesn’t really matter who’s traveling, they have to merge in the place and experience the place.

What do you think is the added value that architecture creates within a city?

Cities are basically made out of architecture. If you look at the way most cities present themselves, they usually show a building, like Athens would show the Parthenon,Paris would show the Eiffel Tower, whether it’s engineering or architecture it doesn’t really matter. But it’s buildings, very important buildings, landmarks of cities. So, cities need the landmarks, like Rome needs the big churches to connect within the fabric of the city. But cities also need a good fabric.

For example, in Greece since the 1970s, when there was a big boom of reconstruction, rebuilding the cities, a lot of the traditional urban fabric was destroyed, because they thought “We need to house more people, we have to develop, we have to make bigger buildings, taller buildings, denser construction…”. But that really destroyed the fabric. So, in one hand, architecture pieces are important, but on the other hand the urban fabric that is preserved, is also very important. 

At the end, can you please provide your personal proposal for 10 buildings (constructed and visitable) which you think as the most important worldwide that someone must visit anyway?

I had the opportunity to go to the Parthenon with Manolis Corres which spent most of his life studying or renovating and restoring the Parthenon. So, I have a different perspective of the Parthenon but even if you don’t go up to the Parthenon with Manolis you can go and understand the building, you can open books, and you can read about it to understand it. But one of the things that are important is not just stay at the Parthenon and go home. It’s to go down to the Plaka and see how the architects of the 19th century took the ideas from the Parthenon; the entasis, the proportions, the older and how they took that and put it in their buildings. Private houses, the theater, the market, all the buildings in Athens were basically designed according to Parthenon. 

The second place that I think is brilliant and I am fortunate to be here is Thessaloniki; the city with the incredible history of thousands of years whether this is Hellenistic, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman And until the recent time Greek history. We have incredible architecture of monuments from Roman times, we have traditional buildings like the Rotunda which is like a Roman building but it’s actually a Greek church, an orthodox church. We have all these synagogues that used to be in Thessaloniki, about fifty of them. We have the Yeni tzami, we have Armenian churches; it’s an incredible place to walk and basically experience history. Of course we have the new plan by Hébrard which he connected the sea to the city and the whole think works together. So, Thessaloniki is definitely again a group of buildings that has to be experienced. 

The third is Jerusalem; this is where I spend most of my time; the wall city which was destroyed and rebuild many times in layers. Two buildings that they are incredible are the Church of the Holy Sepulchre by Eleni, the mother of Consatntine. Basically, a basilica that was destroyed by the Muslims and then it was rebuilt by the Crusaders. But they didn’t have the resources that Eleni had so they built it in the quarter so they made a smaller building. There are parts of the building that you see the Walls; you see the arcade of Constantine’s time and you see the arcade of the Crusaders time; this is about a thousand year’s difference to the walls next to each other. It’s very powerful; the experience and the building. Then, you go down to the basement and you see the layers of Constantine’s stone, then you have some Byzantine building and then you have some Isla, and Crusader and Turkish building. So, you really read the building in layers; it’s incredible. It’s like the city of Jerusalem which you read them in layers. 

And within the holy ground which used to be the Jewish temple is now the Dome of the Rock which is also an important site for the Muslims; it’s where the Mohamed basically left the earth. There is an incredible Rotonda, it’s a baptistery, it’s a Byzantine structure but covered in mosaics, it’s basically covered with mosaic scriptures, Islamic scriptures from the Koran. 

The other place I would go is the US; I would go to New Haven. That’s where I studied, at Yale. I would really recommend that if somebody wants to travel to the US to go see Paul Rudolph’s School of Architecture; the whole building is exposed concrete. Basically, Rudolph designed the building inside out, because he had to design the form work so that what it comes out of it is perfect. And it’s perfect, it’s an incredible thing. Everything is concrete so you have to really design where the lights go and everything. It’s incredible. This is definitely a building for architects to go and see. 

I would go to Barcelona, and of course mention Gaudi’s buildings; the crazy things he did become like the symbol of Barcelona; Sagrada Familia and of course the Casa Batlo, the Casa Mila and what he did for his patrons. The Park Güell which is also a brilliant garden city, a neighborhood that was never finished unfortunately but it’s there. 

I would say Cyprus, I would go to Larnaca again as an experience. Sometimes, we here that Greece is like the meeting point between the East and the West. It’s not. The meeting point of East and West is Cyprus. That’s because everybody wanted to be in Cyprus, everybody wanted to conquer Cyprus, so if you go into the Old City of Larnaca on one hand you see the old buildings which look like Cairo, they look like Jerusalem. On the other hand you see European Architecture. Everything is boiling in there’ it’s really incredible. 

I would go again to Italy. I would actually to the tomb that he built for the Brion family in San Vito which is one of the projects that I went to see when I was a student and it was one of those times that you don’t know what to do with yourself.  It was so brilliant. It was just amazing; the detailing, the space, the water, the relationships, the light. Scarpa was a very modest person and inside this huge compound of the Brion family two walls were meating and there was a little part where you could just go through. And there was his tomb that he designed himself or his son designed it. But he was there too. It was incredible; that you had the Brion’s tomb and then you had the architect’s tomb. I would like to finish with that, I think I gave plenty of ideas for architects to travel.

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Elias Messinas

Elias Messinas

Architect
Country: Greece
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Elias Messinas

Architect, Environmental Consultant

Founder & Chairman, ECOWEEK

 

Graduate of Yale School of Architecture and the National Technical University of Athens, Dr. Elias Messinas is a Greek-born architect and environmental consultant presently based in Aegina and Jerusalem, specializing in sustainable design, ‘green’ Architecture and environmental planning and consulting in Greece, Cyprus, and the Middle East. He is recipient of grants from – among others – Getty Grant Program and Graham Foundation. Dr. Messinas is the founder, Chairman and coordinator of the international environmental NGO ECOWEEK based and active in Europe and the Middle East.

 

:: Photo information and credits:

1 > Elias with Shigeru Ban and the Ambassador of Japan in Greece in 2009
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2009

2 > Elias with Ken Yeang and landscape architect Julie Bargmann at ECOWEEK 2008 in Athens, Greece
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2008

3 > ECOWEEK workshops in 2010
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2010

4 > ECOWEEK participants visiting the New Acropolis Museum in Athens in 2009
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2009

5 > ECOWEEK workshops in 2009
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2009

6 > ECOWEEK workshops in 2010
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2010

7 > Private residence in Plakakia, Aegina
photo courtecy © Elias Messinas

8 > Private residence in Lefki, Aegina. The house is cooled and heated by geothermal heat pump
photo courtecy © Elias Messinas

09 > Private residence in Lefki, Aegina. The house is cooled and heated by geothermal heat pump
photo courtecy © Elias Messinas

10 > Private residence in Livadi, Aegina
photo courtecy © Elias Messinas

11 > ECOWEEK participants visiting a recycling plant in Athens, Greece in 2009
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2009

12 > ECOWEEK participants visiting a wind farm in the Attica region, Greece in 2009
photo courtecy © ECOWEEK 2009